香港人根本絕大部分都係漢人
瑞典足球先生 2018-5-1 12:49:34 之係潮汕人唔似廣東人?

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物產豐隆 2018-5-2 11:05:52 歷史上中原人大量南遷係事實

第一批南遷的中原人就有五十萬,其中最多的是「賈人」,就是做買賣的人。秦始皇不但強制商人南遷,還將他們的親屬,甚至祖父輩經過商的人也一律趕到嶺南。

第二批強制南遷的中原人也有好幾萬,大多是築城的民工,以及對朝廷不滿的人。

第三批中原人南遷時,已經是趙佗在廣州建立南越國了,秦二世要一萬五千名中原女子遷徙嶺南,與當時留在嶺南的秦軍官兵成立家庭,就是要中原的將士紮根在嶺南。

事實與秦二世的想法正好相反,落籍於南海諸郡的中原商人、工匠和駐軍,同當時的「南蠻」越族人友好相處,使嶺南的經濟日益發展和強大。

西漢後,中原人南遷有多種形式,貴族官僚的流放是其中一種。當時,凡是西漢統治集團內部傾軋的失敗者,都被強遷南下。更多的南遷緣起中原人民逃避戰亂,這就形成了秦漢以後移民南遷的又一高潮。

從三國混戰時期起,一批又一批的中原人從陸路和海路進入嶺南,嶺南成了避亂安居的理想之地。中原人南遷給廣州等地增加了大批人口,以南海郡爲例,公元2年爲94,258人,到公元140年,爲250,282人增長約166%。可見那時的外來移民規模有多大。

秦漢這四百年間陸續南遷的中原移民,給嶺南人帶來了先進的生產技術和多方面的文化科學知識,加速了漢越民族的融合,對廣州地區經濟的開發起了關鍵的作用。在廣州市郊出土的文物顯示,晉代的廣州,農耕區不斷向山地和河谷平原拓展,廣州出現種植蔬菜的田地,珠江三角洲已經向水面擴展耕地,鐵農具和牛耕推廣,精耕細作取代了粗放經營。
物產豐隆 2018-5-2 11:11:30 所謂越族只係一堆部落統稱
根本未發展到一個文明就比人趕走
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物產豐隆 2018-5-2 11:14:00 接受現實啦
你地根本就係漢人
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蛋牛麵 2018-5-2 11:18:18 唔好講咁多,你其實係非洲人,
所有地球人都係非洲人
但那位跟你可以 2018-5-2 11:26:26 一句:新加坡人口七成華族,都係走難過去或者去經商之後落地生根,華族又好,漢人又好,so?
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Source: Chen, J., Zheng, H., Bei, J.-X., Sun, L., Jia, W., Li, T., … Liu, J. (2009). Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation. American Journal of Human Genetics, 85(6), 775–785. http://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajhg.2009.10.016

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Figure 1: Population Stratification of the Han Chinese

The PCA plots were oriented with PC1 on the y axis and with PC2 on the x axis. These plots were obtained by using all 107,565 SNPs.

(A) The cluster and stratification of the samples from the ten provinces of China, showing an evident north-south genetic differentiation.

(B) The samples from Beijing (purple) (CHB samples from the International HapMap project), Shanghai (orange), and Singapore (yellow) were compared against the provincial samples. The majority of the Singapore samples fall in the southern (lower) sector, whereas the Beijing and Shanghai samples were largely located within the northern (upper) sector.

(C) The three dialect groups from the Guangdong province were shown against all of the Han Chinese samples from the ten provinces. There was stratification among the three dialect groups, along the same north-south trend observed for the overall Han Chinese.

Figure 1嘅3個panels (A, B, C)已經睇到廣東人嘅基因組成同北方漢人唔同
而且相當集中返喺廣東 唔係好喺其他地方搵到


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Figure 2: Comparison between the Geographic Map of China and the Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese

The PCA plots of the provincial samples are superimposed on the map of China to show the general north-south trend across China.

Figure 2 直頭畫埋你睇廣東人嘅基因結構同廣東以北嘅漢人基因結構係明顯唔同


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Figure 3: Estimated Population Structure by STRUCTURE for K = 2 and K = 3

Each individual is represented by a thin vertical line, and each province is demarcated by a thick vertical black line. The provinces are arranged from north to south, with JPT on the extreme left, representing the northernmost locality, to Liaoning, the northernmost province of China investigated in this study. The Guangdong individuals were grouped into the three dialect groups of Teochew, Hakka and Cantonese. These were then followed by the samples from the two metropolitan cities of Beijing (represented by CHB) and Shanghai, as well as the overseas Chinese community in Singapore. In K = 2, the northern provinces are clearly anchored by the JPT, with a huge membership of northern samples (represented by the yellow segment). The northern membership decreases gradually down to the southern provinces, which show a strong membership of southern samples (represented by the brown segment). At K = 3, JPT is clearly separated from the Han Chinese samples. The analysis revealed a demarcation of north-central-south similar to that shown by Figure 2. The Beijing, Shanghai and Singapore samples showed a clear mixture of southern (long brown lines) and northern (shorter brown lines) individuals, as compared to the provincial samples. The three dialect samples from the Guangdong province were also different from each other, with Teochew being more similar to individuals from the provinces of Hunan and Cantonese being the most southern representative.

CHB係北京人
Figure 3 一睇已經睇到廣東人同北方漢人嘅基因有幾大分別
有趣嘅係日本人(JPT)同北方漢人喺基因上係幾接近

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物產豐隆 2018-5-2 11:28:35 秦漢
中原漢人首次較大規模南遷入粵,是在秦代。秦始皇三十三年(公元前124年),在嶺南設置南海,桂林,象郡三個郡縣,並遷來數十萬的漢族軍民及移民,推動了廣東的開發。秦末漢初,南海尉趙佗割據稱帝,後歸屬於漢,封為南越王。西漢時今廣東人口稀少。公元2年有37.52萬人,佔全國人口總數的0.65%,人口密度為每平方公里1.7人。西漢末期起,中原地區大規模的社會動亂迭起,人口大量南遷,使今廣東人口持續增加,公元140年有86.3萬人,佔全國總人口的1.71%,人口密度為每平方公里3.9人。

漢代今廣東地區對外交通和貿易已開始發展。番禺(今廣州)是對外通商的港口,躋身於全國十幾個著名大都會之列。但經濟和人口分佈的重心,仍在粵北和西江流域。人口分佈的這種特徵與北方漢人南遷廣東兩條路線有關:一是由湘桂走廊下西江,在高要,羅定等地定居,有的更南達雷州半島;二是經折嶺的隘口順連江而下到達連縣,陽山等粵北一帶,形成漢代廣東的人口分佈以粵北山地人口最多,西江流域次之,濱海低地人口最少的態勢。[8]

晉代

晉代時期,由於北方五胡亂華,北方士族和黎民百姓紛紛逃到東南沿海,晉代嶺南移民被稱為“流人”[6]。更多史料記載,珠璣巷這一名稱的得來,與唐敬宗的珠璣賞賜有關,珠璣巷在唐代之前時還叫“敬宗巷”。因有巷內族人張興七世同常,唐帝李湛聞聽後,賞賜給他們家族珠璣絛環,不久李湛駕崩被賜廟號唐敬宗,“敬宗巷”為避諱改名珠璣巷,沿用至今[9]。

隋唐

隋結束了南北朝分裂的局面,農村經濟開始復甦,人丁蕃息。隋大業五年(609年),今廣東境內人口為65.98萬人,佔全國總人口的1.28%,人口密度為每平方公里2.99人。人口分佈以西江流域為最密,信安郡(今高要)人戶密度每平方公里超過2戶,永熙郡(今羅定)每平方公里1.6-2.0戶,廣東南路和連江流域每平方公里有1.1-1.5戶,珠江三角洲每平方公里0.5-1.0戶,粵東每平方公里0.5戶以下。[10]

唐代,今廣東地域是嶺南道的一部分。除海南中部山區外,都得到初步開發。廣州已發展成為我國南方的重要城市和外貿口岸。天寶元年(742年),廣東有93.6萬人,比隋代增加38.6%,約佔當時全國人口的1.5%。唐代人口的分佈,韶,連兩州人口密度大增,居全省首位,平均每平方公里達4.7戶。西江流域採礦業得到發展,人口稠密。粵西高州至兩陽一帶人口密度亦迅增,珠江三角洲,潮汕平原人口仍稀少。[10]

兩宋

北宋滅亡和南宋末年,兩度形成士族豪門,平民百姓和抗元將士南逃,兩宋時期的移民潮從規模上遠遠超出了兩晉[6]。唐末和南漢期間的動亂使廣東地區經濟衰退。宋統一後,又逐漸恢復和發展。珠江三角洲和潮汕平原築堤圍墾,糧食大增,廣州成為一大米市。甘蔗,棉花,茶葉等物產也有增加。農業生產水平的提高,促進了人口增長。北宋末年,北方漢人避亂再次大量南遷,至南宋時更甚,廣東接納了大量北方移民。這也是宋代廣東人戶顯著增加的重要原因。這些新遷人戶被稱為“客戶“。據北宋”元豐九域志“記載,當時客戶佔廣東總人戶的39%之多。[11]

北宋元豐二年(1069年),現廣東境內有239.5萬人。南宋末期,廣東人口發展進入前所未有的高潮[12]。宋代廣東人口分佈發生了顯著變化,珠江三角洲和韓江三角洲已成長為又一個人口稠密區。沿海各州府人口數量和密度迅增,人口分佈的重心南移。在唐代地廣人稀的循,梅二州,至宋由於客戶的移入,開發土地,人口繁衍,人戶密度已追上西江一帶。粵東人口密度首次超過粵西。[11]

元明

元代,由於戰爭破壞(廣東是宋元最後決戰的場所,崖山之役,死亡即逾十萬),廣東經濟陷於停滯,大批居民逃往東南亞各地,有半數地區人戶比宋代減少,惠,循,梅等路州的人口減少一半以上。至元二十七年(1290年),廣東境內人口54.89萬戶,251.31萬人,分別佔當時全國總戶數和總人數的4.2%和4.27% 。人民分佈的特點是沿海人口迅速增加。珠江三角洲,潮汕平原取代粵北成為廣東人口分佈的重心,是全省人口最多的地方。[11]

明初由於採取了獎勵墾荒等有利生產的政策,使耕地面積大增。廣東省的耕地面積,洪武二十年(1387年)為2308萬畝,萬曆二十三年(1600年)為3236萬畝,增幅相當可觀。番薯傳入使難以種植水稻的丘陵,台地得以種糧,促進糧產顯著增長。明代,珠江三角洲的製糖,鑄鐵等手工業也相當發達,對外貿易也比元代繁榮。洪武十四年(1381年),廣東人口增至309.5萬人,人口密度每平方公里超過14人。1491年又增至381.6萬人,人口密度為17人。[11]

明代廣東人口分佈的特點,反映了地區開發的變化,珠江三角洲已進入大規模開發階段,進一步吸引內地人口南遷,廣州府人口居全省首位。韓江三角洲經過數百年開發,已漸富庶,吸引大批閩人進入。故明朝後期潮洲府人口大增,每平方公里達三四十人。珠江三角洲和潮汕平原僅佔全省面積的8%,卻集中了40%以上的人口。而韶,連地區從明代開始,開發進程緩慢,人口開始縮減。明代曾派兵數万,包括廣西苗瑤射手一萬,進攻海南島鎮壓黎族的反抗,此後許多人留在海南島屯田,海南島的人口也因此增加,而居雷州,高州和肇慶府之上[11]。明朝末年,再次有中原移民遷徙嶺南,加入了歷史上南遷形成的廣府人,客家人以及本地土著的行列。[6]

清代

清初是廣東人口發展史上的一個低潮。由於戰爭破壞,廣東經濟和生產力遭到極大破壞,人民被迫大量逃亡,珠江三角洲各縣的耕地丟荒近半,順治十四年全省總耕地面積為2469萬畝,比半個世紀前的明萬曆年間亦減少約四分之一,順治十八年廣東在冊人口數僅314.7萬人。[13]

康熙中後期起,廣東人口進入一個新發展時期,由於廢除海禁,獎勵墾荒,又實行“攤丁入畝”等措施,生產恢復,人口又回升。乾隆年間,人口增長之速更屬罕見。乾隆四十八年(1783年)廣東人口達1563.4萬人,比三十四年前的乾隆十四年增長1.4倍。這樣高速的人口發展,除了生產發展人口繁衍的原因外,還由於“滋生人丁,永不加賦“的規定消除了人民隱報丁口的顧慮,舉數實報,加上流民歸附,一些過去不曾編入戶冊的山民,漁民,鹽民也得以收編登錄,這樣使得人口統計數字接近實際,短時期出現人口劇增。[13]

嘉慶十七年(1812年)廣東人口數為1890萬,同治元年(1862年)為2882萬,在全國人口總數中的比重保持在5.5%-6.5%的高水平上,廣東躍為中國人口最多的省份之一。但人口壓力增大,人均佔有耕地劇減(由順治時的人均7畝多減至同治末年的1.4畝),人多地少的矛盾日益突出。前清時期廣東人口更向沿海集聚,廣州府人口最多,密度最大,平均每平方公里為306人,屬全國人口最稠密的地區之一。潮州府每平方公里151人,粵東山區人口相對較少,韶州府每平方公里64人,連州直隸府每平方公里49人,連山直隸府人口最少,平均每平方公里10人。[13]

鴉片戰爭後,社會動盪,戰亂不斷,經濟凋零,民不聊生,廣東人口增長緩慢。從道光二十年(1840年)至清末的71年間,廣東人口由2538萬人約增至2965萬人,年均淨增6萬人,年均遞增率為0.33%。而鴉片戰爭前的70年間,年均淨增人口23.4萬人,年均遞增率為1.81%。晚清時期廣東由於民生日艱,許多人被迫背井離鄉,往異國謀生[14]。

民國

由於政治動盪不定,經濟衰敗,不少人被迫離鄉背井,遷往內地或移居海外謀生者劇增。1911年年廣東有29645780人,1935年至年為31600008人,20多間增加195.4萬人,年均淨增人口8.1萬人,年均遞增率僅為0.27%,比前一階段大為減緩,明顯呈停滯狀態。抗戰期間廣東沿海先後淪陷,人民生活狀況極端惡化,造成沿海大量居民向內地遷移或因飢餓而亡.1936- 1947年,廣東人口減少300萬,減少了9.6%,每戶平均人數也由1910年的5.54人,1930年的5.13人,減至1940年均4.82人[15]。 1949年全省總人口約2783萬人。[12]
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Source: Chen, J., Zheng, H., Bei, J.-X., Sun, L., Jia, W., Li, T., … Liu, J. (2009). Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation. American Journal of Human Genetics, 85(6), 775–785. http://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajhg.2009.10.016

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Figure 1: Population Stratification of the Han Chinese

The PCA plots were oriented with PC1 on the y axis and with PC2 on the x axis. These plots were obtained by using all 107,565 SNPs.

(A) The cluster and stratification of the samples from the ten provinces of China, showing an evident north-south genetic differentiation.

(B) The samples from Beijing (purple) (CHB samples from the International HapMap project), Shanghai (orange), and Singapore (yellow) were compared against the provincial samples. The majority of the Singapore samples fall in the southern (lower) sector, whereas the Beijing and Shanghai samples were largely located within the northern (upper) sector.

(C) The three dialect groups from the Guangdong province were shown against all of the Han Chinese samples from the ten provinces. There was stratification among the three dialect groups, along the same north-south trend observed for the overall Han Chinese.

Figure 1嘅3個panels (A, B, C)已經睇到廣東人嘅基因組成同北方漢人唔同
而且相當集中返喺廣東 唔係好喺其他地方搵到


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Figure 2: Comparison between the Geographic Map of China and the Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese

The PCA plots of the provincial samples are superimposed on the map of China to show the general north-south trend across China.

Figure 2 直頭畫埋你睇廣東人嘅基因結構同廣東以北嘅漢人基因結構係明顯唔同


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Figure 3: Estimated Population Structure by STRUCTURE for K = 2 and K = 3

Each individual is represented by a thin vertical line, and each province is demarcated by a thick vertical black line. The provinces are arranged from north to south, with JPT on the extreme left, representing the northernmost locality, to Liaoning, the northernmost province of China investigated in this study. The Guangdong individuals were grouped into the three dialect groups of Teochew, Hakka and Cantonese. These were then followed by the samples from the two metropolitan cities of Beijing (represented by CHB) and Shanghai, as well as the overseas Chinese community in Singapore. In K = 2, the northern provinces are clearly anchored by the JPT, with a huge membership of northern samples (represented by the yellow segment). The northern membership decreases gradually down to the southern provinces, which show a strong membership of southern samples (represented by the brown segment). At K = 3, JPT is clearly separated from the Han Chinese samples. The analysis revealed a demarcation of north-central-south similar to that shown by Figure 2. The Beijing, Shanghai and Singapore samples showed a clear mixture of southern (long brown lines) and northern (shorter brown lines) individuals, as compared to the provincial samples. The three dialect samples from the Guangdong province were also different from each other, with Teochew being more similar to individuals from the provinces of Hunan and Cantonese being the most southern representative.

CHB係北京人
Figure 3 一睇已經睇到廣東人同北方漢人嘅基因有幾大分別
有趣嘅係日本人(JPT)同北方漢人喺基因上係幾接近


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Source: Chen, J., Zheng, H., Bei, J.-X., Sun, L., Jia, W., Li, T., … Liu, J. (2009). Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese Population Revealed by Genome-wide SNP Variation. American Journal of Human Genetics, 85(6), 775–785. http://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajhg.2009.10.016

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Figure 1: Population Stratification of the Han Chinese

The PCA plots were oriented with PC1 on the y axis and with PC2 on the x axis. These plots were obtained by using all 107,565 SNPs.

(A) The cluster and stratification of the samples from the ten provinces of China, showing an evident north-south genetic differentiation.

(B) The samples from Beijing (purple) (CHB samples from the International HapMap project), Shanghai (orange), and Singapore (yellow) were compared against the provincial samples. The majority of the Singapore samples fall in the southern (lower) sector, whereas the Beijing and Shanghai samples were largely located within the northern (upper) sector.

(C) The three dialect groups from the Guangdong province were shown against all of the Han Chinese samples from the ten provinces. There was stratification among the three dialect groups, along the same north-south trend observed for the overall Han Chinese.

Figure 1嘅3個panels (A, B, C)已經睇到廣東人嘅基因組成同北方漢人唔同
而且相當集中返喺廣東 唔係好喺其他地方搵到


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Figure 2: Comparison between the Geographic Map of China and the Genetic Structure of the Han Chinese

The PCA plots of the provincial samples are superimposed on the map of China to show the general north-south trend across China.

Figure 2 直頭畫埋你睇廣東人嘅基因結構同廣東以北嘅漢人基因結構係明顯唔同


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Figure 3: Estimated Population Structure by STRUCTURE for K = 2 and K = 3

Each individual is represented by a thin vertical line, and each province is demarcated by a thick vertical black line. The provinces are arranged from north to south, with JPT on the extreme left, representing the northernmost locality, to Liaoning, the northernmost province of China investigated in this study. The Guangdong individuals were grouped into the three dialect groups of Teochew, Hakka and Cantonese. These were then followed by the samples from the two metropolitan cities of Beijing (represented by CHB) and Shanghai, as well as the overseas Chinese community in Singapore. In K = 2, the northern provinces are clearly anchored by the JPT, with a huge membership of northern samples (represented by the yellow segment). The northern membership decreases gradually down to the southern provinces, which show a strong membership of southern samples (represented by the brown segment). At K = 3, JPT is clearly separated from the Han Chinese samples. The analysis revealed a demarcation of north-central-south similar to that shown by Figure 2. The Beijing, Shanghai and Singapore samples showed a clear mixture of southern (long brown lines) and northern (shorter brown lines) individuals, as compared to the provincial samples. The three dialect samples from the Guangdong province were also different from each other, with Teochew being more similar to individuals from the provinces of Hunan and Cantonese being the most southern representative.

CHB係北京人
Figure 3 一睇已經睇到廣東人同北方漢人嘅基因有幾大分別
有趣嘅係日本人(JPT)同北方漢人喺基因上係幾接近

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