[腦力大挑戰] Mathematical analysis BB班
Jean 2018-4-3 07:28:04 之後有D好詭異ge 野:
例如 Q^2 同 Q 一樣多
但係 number of sequence of rational numbers 又多過野過 Q (仲要同 R 一樣多)
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Hydrazine 2018-4-3 07:54:48 留名
Kondaisuki 2018-4-4 20:06:56
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Jean 2018-4-4 21:22:04 Admin有睇連登
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BROPO 2018-4-7 01:16:13 高質post
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Edelschwarz 2018-4-7 09:13:50 我識佢
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Jean 2018-4-7 09:16:07
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幸福安泰吻 2018-4-8 10:48:45 有冇聽過有人Ug讀applied但pg做pure topic
Jean 2018-4-8 10:53:46 ug 讀 physics pg做pure math都有啦
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Jean 2018-4-8 10:54:09
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幸福安泰吻 2018-4-9 13:41:09 Theory of ODE 其實係讀啲咩
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同普通solve ode嘅course 係咪好大分別
算子代數 2018-4-9 19:30:57 差好遠
Jean 2018-4-9 21:25:34 theory of ode 係讀 existence uniqueness stability 的野
唔會直接要你去計個solution
DLLMEAA 2018-4-9 23:49:10 stability of fixed point?當年year 2 ODE都要讀
撻皮 2018-4-10 13:32:25 睇完呢個post 搵左本baby rudin 讀

睇緊頭兩頁已經有野唔明,希望大家教下小弟
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睇得明個proof 但係想知(3)果part 其實係點諗出黎?謝謝!



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Jean 2018-4-10 13:50:04 佢係用緊D root finding algorithm, 某程度上係出cheat
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日向葵海(主唱) 2018-4-10 14:36:38 想 construct 一個 satisfy 到嗰兩個條件嘅 q,而唯一知道嘅係 p^2-2>0(或者 p^2-2<0)。所以要 set:q=p-(p^2-2)/f(p) (where f(p)>0),另外:
q^2-2=((pf(p)-(p^2-2))^2-2f(p)^2)/f(p)^2
當然最重要嘅係正負號,所以只需要望:
((pf(p)-(p^2-2))^2-2f(p)^2)
=(p^2-2)(f(p))^2-2pf(p)(p^2-2)+(p^2-2)^2
當然我哋所知嘅 function 唔多,除咗 polynomial 之外都冇乜嘢可以揀,如果 f 嘅 degree 係 n 嘅話上面三個 term degree 分別係 2n+2n+34,最理想嘅情況當然係三個 degree 一樣(或者最大嗰兩個 degree 一樣) cancel 走 degree 最大嘅嘢,所以 set n=1,f(x)=ax+b:
(p^2-2)(ap+b)^2-2p(ap+b)(p^2-2)+(p-2)^2
如果 expand 開嘅話 p^4 嘅 coefficient 就係 a^2-2a+1,想令佢變 0 就唯有 set a=1:
(p^2-2)(p+b)^2-2p(p+b)(p^2-2)+(p^2-2)^2
=p^4+2bp^3+(b^2-2)p^2-4bp-2b^2-2p^4-2bp^3+4p^2+4bp+p^4-4p^2+4
=(b^2-2)p^2+(4-2b^2)
=(b^2-2)(p^2-2)
記唔記得以上呢個 expression 係咩?冇錯就係我哋想佢個 sign 跟住 p^2-2 走,即係話要 set b 令到 b^2-2>0,b=1 就唔得,噉唯有 set b=2。
另外要記得 check f(p)=ap+b=p+2>0 for positive p。
所以我哋要 set q=p-(p^2-2)/(p+2)。
如果唔係對住個答案諗我應該諗唔到
ModuliSpaces 2018-4-10 15:27:05 如果你想知點解會砌到嗰舊野出嚟,你可以咁諗嘅:
We would like to find q = p - t s.t. if p \in A then t < 0 and q^2 - 2 < 0, and if p \in B then t > 0 and q^2 - 2 > 0. Note that the defining relations for A and B depend on the sign of p^2 - 2, so we could try t = (p^2 - 2)r and see what r satisfies our needs. Consider q^2 -2 = p^2 -2(p^2 - 2)pr + (p^2 - 2)^2r^2 -2 = (p^2 - 2)((p^2 - 2)r^2 - 2pr + 1). Here we notice that if we could pick r > 0 s.t. the later factor is always positive, then we are done. Also note that the roots of the polynomial f(r) :=(p^2 - 2)r^2 - 2pr + 1 are 1/(p - \sqrt{2}) and 1/(p + \sqrt{2}). There are two cases to consider:
Case 1: p^2 - 2 < 0. Then f(r) > 0 when 1/(p - \sqrt{2}) < r < 1/(p + \sqrt{2}).
Case 2: p^2 - 2 > 0. Then f(r) > 0 when r > 1/(p - \sqrt{2}) or r < 1/(p + \sqrt{2}).
Hence if we pick r = 1/(p + 2) it will serve our purposes.

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ModuliSpaces 2018-4-10 15:34:05 漏左我地要埋q > 0
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不過其實要證A冇max同B冇min唔駛咁做
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撻皮 2018-4-10 15:55:18 好詳盡,唔該晒
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Jean 2018-4-10 22:35:40 我唔太明點解rudin要咁做
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Edelschwarz 2018-4-11 02:41:56 可能rudin覺得呢個function最易理解
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反正唔係唯一一個啱用嘅function
畀我會用continuous fraction嚟玩
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不過諗唔到佢點解諗到其實好正常
你諗到就做咗寫書嗰個啦
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