LIHKG (Reddit轉載)點解啲人唔妥杜魯多?
加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 13:32:17 原文:
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/s/KN0tuAGc0t

Answer: Trudeau has been in office for nearly a decade. When he was first elected, he embodied a positive and “sunny” approach to politics and it was largely a movement of young people who helped elect him, with the promise of electoral reform. He quickly abandoned that pledge which I think was the first domino to fall.

杜魯多執政已經差唔多十年。佢正面同「陽光」嘅政治形象,以及對選舉改革嘅承諾令到年輕選民推咗佢上首相之位。(佢之前嘅保守黨哈柏當政近九年,再之前係自由黨執政十三年,再之前係保守黨執政十年左右。真係十年河東,十年河西
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Over the years, Trudeau and his party has faced a number of domestic scandals (SNC Lavalin, surfaced black face photos, WE, foreign interference, etc) that gradually chipped away at the “sunny” image he projected.

咁多年嚟,一迾國内政治醜聞,例如SNC Lavalin(涉嫌干預司法調查)、black face、WE(涉嫌利益輸送)、外國干預等等都打擊咗杜魯多嘅陽光形象。

Before taking office, he was harshly critical of the Temporary Foreign Worker program under Harper (the previous Prime Minister), yet he dramatically expanded the program and relaxed the rules for businesses to abuse foreign, low-paid labour. The combination of Temporary Foreign Workers, Foreign Students (who were also being used for cheap labour post-pandemic) and increased Permanent Resident targets put significant strain on our housing market, which hurt many of the young people who helped get him elected. Many have seen very jarring and sudden demographic shifts in their own communities, which has contributed to a sense of frustration.

喺佢成為首相之前,杜魯多係好嚴厲地批評哈柏政府嘅聯邦臨時外國勞工計畫(TFW),但係佢又擴大咗個計畫同放寬咗啲限制,令到啲公司更容易咁濫用呢班低薪嘅外國勞動力。TFW加上留學生(武肺後放寬咗工作時數嘅限制),仲有不斷提高永久居民嘅目標令到本身已經麻麻嘅住屋問題愈黎愈差。住屋問題同埋突如其來嘅人口變化令到當初選佢嘅嗰班選民愈來愈唔gur。

Trudeau ran a number of times on housing, but in the height of the housing crisis he said housing wasn’t a primary responsibility of his, which upset a lot of people and helped Pierre Poilievre (the leader of the Conservatives) take the inside track on housing - right or wrong. Many of the Liberals’ programs on housing until recently merely stoked more demand and he has openly said that it’s important housing prices don’t decline as it could hurt the retirement dreams of seniors. This landed very poorly with young people.

杜魯多喺住屋問題都搞過幾次,但係喺住屋問題最嚴峻嘅時候竟然講話,呢個唔係聯邦政府嘅主要責任。此話一出,好多選民著曬火,同比曬子彈比保守黨黨魁Poilievre - 孤勿論佢提出嘅方案掂唔掂。唔同自由黨嘅房屋政策只係喺度刺激需求,而佢公開咁話樓價下跌會粉碎好多老人家嘅退休夢。咁講梗係令到年輕人非常唔滿意。

For some perspective on numbers; a few months ago it was shared that our population grew by roughly a million people in 9 months (between temporary, permanent and asylum streams). Canada historically has built somewhere between 225-250k homes per year. As you can appreciate, that is a significant delta.

幾個月前嘅數據顯示,我地嘅人口喺九個月內增加咗大約一百萬,而歷史上加拿大每年大約起到22.5萬到25萬間屋。如此所見,兩者差距係十分之大。

His government recently had to acknowledge that they exceeded their projected deficit by $20 billion dollars (from $40 billion to $60 billion). His Finance Minister, Chrystia Freeland, chose to resign rather than own the fiscal mess. She accused him of focusing on “gimmicks” such as a $250 cheque to all Canadians, rather than keeping their powder dry for a potential trade war with the Trump administration. This was, really, the last straw. After Freeland’s resignation an increasing number of his own MPs began demanding his resignation.

近排現屆政府承認咗赤字比起預算多咗200億(由400億變到600億)。搞到一鑊泡之際,財政部長(兼副總理)方慧蘭竟然選擇辭任內閣職位。方慧蘭指責杜魯多掛住搞埋啲派錢嘅花巧嘢,而唔留返啲彈藥應對關税侵嘅貿易戰。方慧蘭嘅離任就係壓死駱駝嗰根稻草,令本身已經好多不滿意嘅自由黨議員逼杜魯多辭職。

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加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 13:33:10 Trudeau also has had a habit of speaking a bit sanctimoniously to Canadians, only apologizing for the misdeeds of historical figures and never his own. The combination of the factors above have steadily chipped away at his popularity over time. Much of his rhetoric focused on diversity and what makes us different, whereas I think many Canadians were looking for a more uniting, less alienating message.
杜魯道嘅習慣就係對加拿大人講嘢有啲道貌岸然(小弟不才,查字典先知點解
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。佢好興為歷史人物道歉,但又唔會對自己做錯嘢道歉。上面各種因素加埋一齊一路咁減低佢受歡迎嘅程度。
佢好多時講嘅嘢注重於diversity同有咩令我地與眾不同,但係我覺得當刻加拿大人比較想聽到嘅係團結一致嘅message。

Economically we have also faced stagnant productivity, declining standards of living, declining GDP per capita, increased costs of living and some cultural issues taking footholds here.

經濟上我地面對緊生産力放緩、生活水平同人均GDP下跌、生活成本上升同文化問題(我唔係好明呢項係指乜)

This is a simplified version of what has happened over the past ten years or so, but Canadians are livid about our immigration system, fiscal mismangement, housing crisis and general fatigue.  Under Trudeau, the national consensus of immigration has frayed (which has historically been broadly supported), and there is a real current of visceral anger over it.

以上就係呢十年發生過嘅事,簡單而言,加拿大人對移民制度、財政管理、住屋問題非常不滿同埋呢幾年大家都攰啦。。。喺杜魯多治下,全國對移民嘅共識由歷史上支持變到反對,甚至係有發自內心嘅憤怒。

I think there are some bad-faith people who misrepresent Trudeau (I actually voted for him in 2015), but it’s a fact that he is profoundly unpopular in Canada for the reasons above. He’s a skilled politician and it’s frankly amazing he has lasted this long, but at this point his legacy is in serious question.

我認為宜家係有一班有心嘅人喺度做鳩杜魯多,但事實上因為以上嘅原因,令到佢宜家喺加拿大國内非常唔受歡迎(我2015都投過佢)。佢係一個老練嘅政客(宜係話佢政棍姐
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,好坦白咁講,佢捱到今時今日都有啲料,但佢嘅留低嘅功過/歷史地位喺呢一刻惹人非議。
加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 13:34:03 譯錯請指正同屌得細力啲,謝謝
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加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 13:37:01 啊我唔記得講,選舉改革嘅承諾當然喺佢選到之後係冇咗影啦
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吉村卓 2025-1-7 13:59:19 加拿大出名友善,但忍到呢條垃圾咁多年,太誇張
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Waymomo 2025-1-7 14:01:26 不經不覺就十年
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其實都係最後幾年先開始多問題
三月初五 2025-1-7 14:01:45 加拿大人繼續feel good
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印度人單野已經覺得佢好柒
加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 14:19:26 其實都係武肺之後先開始唔掂,頭幾年都正正常常
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加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 14:39:56
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皇上叩見黑社會 2025-1-7 14:56:37 講到尾都係經濟同移民因素
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全西方國家武肺後樓價火箭升到人工跟唔上,物價貴令幾乎全部執政黨俾選民vote out。加拿大最特別嘅係近乎無條件引入印度移民,佢哋一個帶晒全家幾代人過嚟,醫療福利制度跟本應付唔到。再加埋印度人專請印度人,本土搵工難上加難,左膠極都要轉晒右
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鄰國美國就唔同,你一般印度工作移民等一百年先拎到公民身份
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Rudolph 2025-1-7 15:01:46 簡單總結:左膠到左匪
共老野產、優惠移民政策、後生無位上


前人辨:德國肥婆
加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 15:07:57
而佢公開咁話樓價下跌會粉碎好多老人家嘅退休夢


其實同左右冇乜關係
共到老野產啲後生就唔會咁大怨氣啦
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膠心批 2025-1-7 15:11:31 陽光
家陣選美?
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加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 15:11:54 武肺物價貴其實全部國家執政黨都話唔到事,只係選民搵代罪羔羊
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不過生活過得好,點洗換人嚟做啊
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加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 15:14:29 你以為選舉真係睇政績?
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膠心批 2025-1-7 15:19:33 所以毛澤東咪win
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加連威老陳浩南 2025-1-7 15:54:09
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韓國瑜快不起來 2025-1-7 22:07:52 最主要、最後亦都係最大一根稻草係疫情期間引入印度人,但reddit班人唔夠膽咁講
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疫情中後期間加拿大多左300萬以上既臨時居民(包括owp 難民 學簽等),杜魯多賭既就係用人口增加黎推動經濟 令加拿大快d走出疫情既影響


呢300萬人其中超過差唔多6成以上都係印度人,全部就聚晒係大城市,對租市/基健/就業市場都造成嚴重既衝擊。

咁本身人口增加對經濟有冇帶來咩好處?大部份都唔係美國果種高質矽谷印度人,佢地出名一間房住10條友、排foodbank、學歷/工作經驗造假、做爛市低過最低工資都肯做、唔番學去打黑工到考試就出貓、濫用難民、濫用spouse簽證。仲要做野懶過閪

帶左d咩經濟價值比加拿大?

其他國家既移民(中國 香港 韓國 菲律賓 越南 烏克蘭 伊朗,阿拉伯唔計都係鳩kick但人數唔多)一黎人數唔夠佢地零頭二黎冇佢地咁蠶食資源
磨練 2025-1-7 22:09:00
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蘇雅琳沚羿 2025-1-7 22:10:46 加拿大想要1億人口丫嗎
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鍾欣桐 2025-1-7 22:14:01 算好中肯