LIHKG intel 15代外判比TSMC
懷斯(非阿迷) 2024-9-6 12:30:13 次次開game都過熱,on撚9

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唔想再係咁 2024-9-6 12:30:35 好似冇講過用18A
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叔叔受不了 2024-9-6 12:39:14 broadcom啱啱彈左intel 18A鐘,話intel 18A工藝唔掂
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EXTINCTIONBB 2024-9-6 13:32:08
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18A都唔得

就要等2026 2027High NA EUV 14A
如果都唔得intel
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ARX-7 2024-9-6 13:37:57 等內部分拆?eg JSMC?
司徒拔道 2024-9-6 13:57:58 Intel 今年嘅15代 放風講咗成年講到會用20 A
司徒拔道 2024-9-6 14:00:20 諗諗吓都奇怪明明話今年用20a而家取消竟然係因為18 A更加好

你話今年轉18a 有競爭力啲都可以理解吓
佢又唔係喎,佢反而係搵代工

都唔知佢係咪一直吹 下年都唔知有冇18a
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唔想再係咁 2024-9-6 14:10:00 呢個就係問題 佢而家講到係為左唔洗不斷調整產線 20a又要再換18咁可以慳5億美金
寧願今年將絕大部部分生產都交俾tsmc
如果18a下年谷唔出黎 基本就可以關廠以後用tsmc
司徒拔道 2024-9-6 14:13:55 唔樂觀

已經落後緊 仲要推遲自己啲技術
淨係聽過提早出 邊度推遲㗎
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無雀仔嘅腳仔 2024-9-6 14:19:46 咁新U 用台積電咩制程
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EXTINCTIONBB 2024-9-6 14:21:13 仲有high NA EUV 14A
重新起步
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EXTINCTIONBB 2024-9-6 14:22:09 3nm

AMD Ryzen ai 用4nm

所以會比AMD慳電少少
C.馬撚 2024-9-6 14:35:43
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Ultra 2 + Ryzen AI 出現之後高通啲打手收曬皮
SSR-獅子神レオナ 2024-9-6 14:46:20 ARM好明顯就係喺Marketing 上面出錯手 , 如果我係一個新嘅架構嘅話第一水都唔會即刻打高級Product / 貴價 Product.
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反而如果ARM玩Laptop/Desktop 抗衡嘅話畀著係我都至少揀返ARM native friendly 嘅OS , 例如Linux 嗰啲已經有ARM kernel 去做demo . 第一首就即刻揀仲未搞得掂嘅Windows on ARM已經注定咗一定會出事
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C.馬撚 2024-9-6 14:48:35 windows on ARM 應該focus喺四五千蚊嘅平板市場
競爭對手應該係casual商用/家用ipad/chromebook而唔係x86 laptop

行高階路線真係戇撚鳩
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神楽月団長 2024-9-6 19:25:00 因為Windows on ARM本身廢
要好似X Elite咁12大核先夠順
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之前8cx Gen3都係on99咁

btw 如果Intel谷嘅話四五千嘅平板呢個位用N100去食係啱啱好
司徒拔道 2024-9-6 19:35:53 TSMC 3nm既u 差極有個譜

都值得期待
Jacksjoke 2024-9-6 20:11:37 Intel 200v系列定位都唔同 4+4 冇HT 做文書處理還好
Jacksjoke 2024-9-6 20:14:04 Ryzen ai9系列本身比全能laptop 用

Intel 200v 打機宣稱好勁 搞掂driver 先好提
司徒拔道 2024-9-6 21:21:58 Comparing the performance of the leaked Arrow Lake HX CPU to the current crop of Raptor Lake HX CPUs, we can see that the ARL chip is 14% faster than the Core i9-13900HX per our testing. The delta shrinks to 11% in the case of the Core i9-14900HX.

Moving the conversation over to the other side, the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX appears 4% ahead of the ARL HX chip with an average Cinebench R23 multi-core result of 33,434.

In other words, if the 24-core Arrow Lake CPU under discussion launches with similar performance to what is shown here, AMD’s last-gen Zen 4 CPUs will still be in the lead


https://x.com/nbc_net/status/1832015778398527600?s=46

15代仲係打唔贏成年前出嘅r9 7945hx
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神楽月団長 2024-9-8 16:44:57 冇架喎intel一日唔改大細核一日都係輸
8大核點打人地16粒
仲要ARL冇HT,multithread實好慘烈
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fubuMiko 2024-9-12 23:05:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U6Aa-nB-q8

輸咗兩代
終於唔擠牙膏
放俾台積電即刻喺架構攞到盡
•加藤恵• 2024-9-12 23:18:08 邊個用TSM3 N3咪邊個贏
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EXTINCTIONBB 2024-9-13 02:24:18 台積電黎緊

2025 2nm
2026 gen2 2nm
2027 1.6nm
2028 gen2 1.6nm
2029 1.4nm
2030 gen2 1.4nm
2031 1nm

intel
2025 18A
2026/2027 high NA EUV 14A
唔知吹水定真係做到

依兩年食住花生
名師出鳩童 2024-9-13 09:34:28 間間廠都搵tsmc做, 會唔會有日tsmc自己出黎做cpu