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依加最大問題係香港無得睇,
資訊差產生巨大觀感差異。
基本邏輯解謎,
當然前提係建基於
a. 同ROE漫畫係正史故事 (#38, #31)
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論據:
1. 真希波清楚知道明日香鐘意真嗣 (ROE漫畫 + <Q>, <終>挑逗明日香)
2. 真希波係真嗣x明日香CP Supporter (ROE漫畫)
3. 真嗣係突然變成28歲, 記憶無新加減少
4. 根據3推論, 對於真嗣嚟講由<破>到<終>end可能先幾個月既事, 佢同真希波既交集只有幾次。
第一次空降, 第二次先自介, 第三次就ending。
5. 根據3推論, 真希波一樣係變成28?歲, 記憶無新加減少
6. 現時第一手資料(指套戲)就除左挑逗對話同最尾拖手跑就無任何野證明佢地既關係。
出站仲有分開手跑, 幾分鐘既鏡頭都未必有足夠理據去支撐佢地既關係。
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論點1: 根據 1 & 2 & 5 & 6 + a。
真嗣x真希波ending就係真希波近乎毫無理由咁突然同真嗣一齊/鐘意真嗣, 真希波人設形象即刻崩塌,
同ROE漫畫故事自相矛盾, 係自打嘴巴既低級錯誤, 咁不如唔好整漫畫。
論點2: 根據 3 & 4 & 6。
真嗣x真希波ending就係真嗣都近乎毫無理由咁突然同真希波一齊/鐘意真希波, 人設故事再度崩壞。
結論: 所以係論據3 未被推翻既前提之下, 真嗣x真希波ending都係有邏輯問題。
如果救火救到要人設崩壞同破壞基本邏輯, 我笑庵野同鶴卷少智無謀。
核心論據3要推翻既前提係證明以下鏡頭係無時間連接。
但暫時根本無事實證據去推翻。
疑點:
I. 官方主動否定真希波同安野夢洋子既關係
(twitter讚既係話依個睇法係膚淺 或者 有問題/錯誤)
暫時再拉安野夢洋子去真希波度都係會被否定,真係睇設定集點講。
II. 除非無曬/洗曬 明日香/綾波/渚薰記憶, 三個對家同真嗣之間都要清零。
然後再加上真希波同真嗣有另外發展, 真希波條線先有可能,但依然違反論據3。
III. 貞本漫畫個唯同真希波既故事, ROE漫畫配既官方插畫/賀圖。
本質上都係官方"同人",都未必合乎ROE第三手資料既資格。
IV. 明日香決戰前去睇真嗣, 真希波先跟埋去,本身唔係幾在意真嗣。
明日香對真希波貼近真嗣完全唔呷醋, 未知原因, 但對櫻就呷爆醋。
同綾波講野都係一陣醋味。
資訊差產生巨大觀感差異。
基本邏輯解謎,
當然前提係建基於
a. 同ROE漫畫係正史故事 (#38, #31)
-----
論據:
1. 真希波清楚知道明日香鐘意真嗣 (ROE漫畫 + <Q>, <終>挑逗明日香)
2. 真希波係真嗣x明日香CP Supporter (ROE漫畫)
3. 真嗣係突然變成28歲, 記憶無新加減少
:^(
4. 根據3推論, 對於真嗣嚟講由<破>到<終>end可能先幾個月既事, 佢同真希波既交集只有幾次。
第一次空降, 第二次先自介, 第三次就ending。
5. 根據3推論, 真希波一樣係變成28?歲, 記憶無新加減少
6. 現時第一手資料(指套戲)就除左挑逗對話同最尾拖手跑就無任何野證明佢地既關係。
出站仲有分開手跑, 幾分鐘既鏡頭都未必有足夠理據去支撐佢地既關係。
-----
論點1: 根據 1 & 2 & 5 & 6 + a。
真嗣x真希波ending就係真希波近乎毫無理由咁突然同真嗣一齊/鐘意真嗣, 真希波人設形象即刻崩塌,
同ROE漫畫故事自相矛盾, 係自打嘴巴既低級錯誤, 咁不如唔好整漫畫。
論點2: 根據 3 & 4 & 6。
真嗣x真希波ending就係真嗣都近乎毫無理由咁突然同真希波一齊/鐘意真希波, 人設故事再度崩壞。
結論: 所以係論據3 未被推翻既前提之下, 真嗣x真希波ending都係有邏輯問題。
如果救火救到要人設崩壞同破壞基本邏輯, 我笑庵野同鶴卷少智無謀。
核心論據3要推翻既前提係證明以下鏡頭係無時間連接。
:^(
但暫時根本無事實證據去推翻。
疑點:
I. 官方主動否定真希波同安野夢洋子既關係
(twitter讚既係話依個睇法係膚淺 或者 有問題/錯誤)
暫時再拉安野夢洋子去真希波度都係會被否定,真係睇設定集點講。
II. 除非無曬/洗曬 明日香/綾波/渚薰記憶, 三個對家同真嗣之間都要清零。
然後再加上真希波同真嗣有另外發展, 真希波條線先有可能,但依然違反論據3。
III. 貞本漫畫個唯同真希波既故事, ROE漫畫配既官方插畫/賀圖。
本質上都係官方"同人",都未必合乎ROE第三手資料既資格。
IV. 明日香決戰前去睇真嗣, 真希波先跟埋去,本身唔係幾在意真嗣。
明日香對真希波貼近真嗣完全唔呷醋, 未知原因, 但對櫻就呷爆醋。
同綾波講野都係一陣醋味。
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khara 用官方twitter like 左一D 網民否定真希波= 安野既tweet
同埋係staff radio 不指名咁批評岡田斗司夫個解說動畫
呢D 做法本身已經好小家
又唔夠公開出黎大大聲否定
反而庵野大大方方, 叫你地觀眾自己諗下啦
老實講, 你理得官方講乜吖
你接受得官方講"真希波不等於安野夢洋子"
但點解又覺得貞本漫畫只係"官方同人"呢
同埋係staff radio 不指名咁批評岡田斗司夫個解說動畫
呢D 做法本身已經好小家
:^(
又唔夠公開出黎大大聲否定
反而庵野大大方方, 叫你地觀眾自己諗下啦
:^(
老實講, 你理得官方講乜吖
你接受得官方講"真希波不等於安野夢洋子"
但點解又覺得貞本漫畫只係"官方同人"呢
:^(
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真係想谷到一百億
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又黎多次聲優舞台挨拶
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追憶水年華
或者咁講, 貞本版係獨立世界。
始終個版權同原作由始至終係庵野手上。
而官方khara的確係有庵野, 係原作詮釋權問題,
或者我講成官方同人有d過份, 但漫畫的確係由原作衍生出嚟。
- 貞本版係貞本個人作出修改(大改), 漫畫係貞本個人觀點。
論據1: 漫畫 vol.2, 現在所思考的事, 最尾一頁。
論據2: MILANO MANGA FESTIVAL: REPORTAGE DEI SADAMOTO DAYS
"As for the Evangelion manga , Sadamoto claims to have made it entirely by himself, without consulting with anyone, so any differences with the anime were all decided solely by him; this in contrast to the anime where all decisions were made as a group, all sitting in the same room and arguing."
"A question about the Evangelion manga, were you completely free on the script or were you consulting director Anno?
Sadamoto: There isn’t any script. When you make anime there are the storyboards, right? We were just sharing them, so I’m on the same level as a fan. I just wrote it on my own, looking at the storyboards. So I didn’t consult anyone, and of course no one from the TV series’ staff intervened in my manga."
- 貞本情況同山下一樣, 如果山下本小說叫官方同人小說, 咁漫畫版理應同樣講法。
論據1: 根據MILANO MANGA FESTIVAL: REPORTAGE DEI SADAMOTO DAYS
"In the realization of the characters of Evangelion , Anno left Sadamoto with a lot of freedom, giving him little information, such as the blood type."
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點解貞本版漫畫唯同真希波劇情對於ROE劇情無足夠既參考價值:
- 貞本打算係重用人物
根據MILANO MANGA FESTIVAL: REPORTAGE DEI SADAMOTO DAYS
"As for Mari, a character present in the Rebuild , they wanted to attract a new type of fan, as well as create an additional character that could be "broken" (in this case the translator was not sure of the word used); Sadamoto also said that he really likes Mari's character, and plans to reuse it in the future."
- 貞本主動否認真希波係漫畫同ROE故事有關係。
根據THE CURRENT STATUS OF GAINAX – INTERVIEW: HIROYUKI YAMAGA & YOSHIYUKI SADAMOTO (SEPTEMBER, 2016)
"Next question is about Evangelion Rebuilds, do you know about the symbol of the last movie (repeat sign in music)?
Sadamoto: Just to start, I’d like to clarify my position on the Rebuilds. I’ve only done the main character designs so… (laugh)"
"So, in the last page of the manga there is Mari, one of the Rebuild’s characters…
Sadamoto: Oh, that’s not in the storyline, it’s just an extra chapter for the manga volume. It’s even apart from the movies, like fanservice. Just something you mustn’t think too hard about. (laugh) It’s just something that went through my mind, I thought it would be funny if it were like that."
Ref: 貞本漫畫版 vol. 2
Ref: https://www.animeclick.it/news/36125-milano-manga-festival-reportage-dei-sadamoto-days
Ref: https://forum.evageeks.org/thread/14355/Yoshiyuki-Sadamoto-guest-at-the-Milano-Manga-Festival/
Ref: https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/02/21/the-current-status-of-gainax-interview-hiroyuki-yamaga-yoshiyuki-sadamoto-september-2016/
(當然我無辨法證實以上訪談真偽, 暫作參考)
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我目的純粹想講清楚件事, 由其之前傳言太犀利。
唔係個個都拿握到你所講既資訊。
唔同意可以對論點進行否定
不過你講得無錯, 今次khara一樣無guts
始終個版權同原作由始至終係庵野手上。
而官方khara的確係有庵野, 係原作詮釋權問題,
或者我講成官方同人有d過份, 但漫畫的確係由原作衍生出嚟。
- 貞本版係貞本個人作出修改(大改), 漫畫係貞本個人觀點。
論據1: 漫畫 vol.2, 現在所思考的事, 最尾一頁。
論據2: MILANO MANGA FESTIVAL: REPORTAGE DEI SADAMOTO DAYS
"As for the Evangelion manga , Sadamoto claims to have made it entirely by himself, without consulting with anyone, so any differences with the anime were all decided solely by him; this in contrast to the anime where all decisions were made as a group, all sitting in the same room and arguing."
"A question about the Evangelion manga, were you completely free on the script or were you consulting director Anno?
Sadamoto: There isn’t any script. When you make anime there are the storyboards, right? We were just sharing them, so I’m on the same level as a fan. I just wrote it on my own, looking at the storyboards. So I didn’t consult anyone, and of course no one from the TV series’ staff intervened in my manga."
- 貞本情況同山下一樣, 如果山下本小說叫官方同人小說, 咁漫畫版理應同樣講法。
論據1: 根據MILANO MANGA FESTIVAL: REPORTAGE DEI SADAMOTO DAYS
"In the realization of the characters of Evangelion , Anno left Sadamoto with a lot of freedom, giving him little information, such as the blood type."
-----
點解貞本版漫畫唯同真希波劇情對於ROE劇情無足夠既參考價值:
- 貞本打算係重用人物
根據MILANO MANGA FESTIVAL: REPORTAGE DEI SADAMOTO DAYS
"As for Mari, a character present in the Rebuild , they wanted to attract a new type of fan, as well as create an additional character that could be "broken" (in this case the translator was not sure of the word used); Sadamoto also said that he really likes Mari's character, and plans to reuse it in the future."
- 貞本主動否認真希波係漫畫同ROE故事有關係。
根據THE CURRENT STATUS OF GAINAX – INTERVIEW: HIROYUKI YAMAGA & YOSHIYUKI SADAMOTO (SEPTEMBER, 2016)
"Next question is about Evangelion Rebuilds, do you know about the symbol of the last movie (repeat sign in music)?
Sadamoto: Just to start, I’d like to clarify my position on the Rebuilds. I’ve only done the main character designs so… (laugh)"
"So, in the last page of the manga there is Mari, one of the Rebuild’s characters…
Sadamoto: Oh, that’s not in the storyline, it’s just an extra chapter for the manga volume. It’s even apart from the movies, like fanservice. Just something you mustn’t think too hard about. (laugh) It’s just something that went through my mind, I thought it would be funny if it were like that."
Ref: 貞本漫畫版 vol. 2
Ref: https://www.animeclick.it/news/36125-milano-manga-festival-reportage-dei-sadamoto-days
Ref: https://forum.evageeks.org/thread/14355/Yoshiyuki-Sadamoto-guest-at-the-Milano-Manga-Festival/
Ref: https://wavemotioncannon.com/2017/02/21/the-current-status-of-gainax-interview-hiroyuki-yamaga-yoshiyuki-sadamoto-september-2016/
(當然我無辨法證實以上訪談真偽, 暫作參考)
===================================
我目的純粹想講清楚件事, 由其之前傳言太犀利。
唔係個個都拿握到你所講既資訊。
唔同意可以對論點進行否定
不過你講得無錯, 今次khara一樣無guts
802.11
https://twitter.com/evangelion_co/status/1406809858393841664?s=19
又出狗招，入場送真希波/渚薰海報
今次仲要玩random 二揀一咁仆街
為左薰入場既，如果收到真希波會唔會即場撕爛佢
又出狗招，入場送真希波/渚薰海報
今次仲要玩random 二揀一咁仆街
:^(
為左薰入場既，如果收到真希波會唔會即場撕爛佢
:^(
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