PeaceXd
2020-4-7 15:27:46
1. 點解wards裏面冇十字架? 有人答過我話咁樣係崇拜偶像 但係salt lake temple有all seeing eye之類masonry 嘅symbols. 重要temple上面嗰個係angel Moroni 唔係十字架 咁樣比會唔會好double standard?
2. 點睇 joseph smith was a free mason. 即使佢有first vision之前已經系 free mason 點睇LDS 同masonry 有好多相似但依然係inspired by god?
PeaceXd
2020-4-7 16:38:46
Questions:
1.睇過聖經,book of mormon(respectively)幾多次
2. How does salvation work
3. As an exalted man, who created god?
No offence 我淨係覺得LDS 同Bible 有好大差異
1. Council of gods
LDS believe in counsel of gods that Jesus and Lucifer are sons of god
Bible:
-“I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:”
Isaiah 45:5 KJV
-“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”
Isaiah 44:8 KJV
2. God as a exalt man
LDS believe that God was a exalted man
Bible:He has been a god since beginning to forever
-“Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.”
Psalms 90:2 KJV
3. LDS:After Joseph’s first prayer, he saw two individuals :God the father and Jesus the son
Bible: “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
John 1:18
4. Doctrines
LDS: no alcohol, even Jesus turned water into wine of low alcohol concentration, the church still prohibits alchol to full extend?
Bible:
-“Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.”
Colossians 2:20-23 KJV
5. Testing the new gospel/spirits
LDS:
-pray about it, and the “burning in the bosom” and the feeling of peace affirms
Bible:
- “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.”
Proverbs 28:26 KJV
PeaceXd
2020-4-8 00:30:01
可能之前語氣重左 不過我真心no offense 咁不如集中講呢3樣
A. Nature of god
Moses自己咁講:“And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude(形象); only ye heard a voice.
Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,”
Deuteronomy 4:12, 15-16 KJV
B. salvation
Questions:
1.Will protestant christians have eternal life if they have never been baptized in the temple? Will they go to celestial, terrestrial or telestrial kingdom?
2. Is it ok if a LDS is converted to protestants, will they be kicked to the outer darkness? Where will they go?
C. Similarities with masonry
Ok I was wrong and i apologise Joseph wasn’t a free mason prior to the revelation. But why did Joseph add the tokens to the temple rituals? Why did they practise the blood oath and then abandon?
親愛寶貝蜜糖甜心
2020-4-8 01:17:35
A. Nature of god
嗱,呢到我先要了解你點睇呢啲經文,因為按照你引用嘅聖經同埋你嘅睇法(神係無形象,神係靈),呢啲經文應該係同你嘅睇法係相違背,我想知你點睇呢啲經文先。
創世記:1:26 神說:我們要照著我們的形像、按著我們的樣式造人,使他們管理海裡的魚、空中的鳥、地上的牲畜,和全地,並地上所爬的一切昆蟲。27 神就照著自己的形像造人,乃是照著他的形像造男造女。
創世記:5:3 亞當活到一百三十歲,生了一個兒子,形像樣式和自己相似,就給他起名叫塞特。
創世記:32:30 雅各便給那地方起名叫毘努伊勒。〔就是神之面的意思〕意思說:我面對面見了神,我的性命仍得保全。
出埃及記:33:11 耶和華與摩西面對面說話,好像人與朋友說話一般,摩西轉到營裡去,惟有他的幫手一個少年人嫩的兒子約書亞,不離開會幕。
民數記:12:8 我要與他面對面說話,乃是明說:不用謎語,並且他必見我的形像,你們毀謗我的僕人摩西,為何不懼怕呢?
詩篇:17:15 至於我,我必在義中見你的面,我醒了的時候,得見你的形像,〔見或作看〕就心滿意足了。
唔使一節節覆,but you get the idea,呢啲聖經章節講緊嘅嘢應該同你相信嘅係相反緊。我想知你點睇呢啲。
PS:太長分開三個回覆答
親愛寶貝蜜糖甜心
2020-4-8 01:20:28
B. salvation
下面係我之前答其他兄絲嘅留言嚟,可以為B呢到佢個背景
「
九成九人上到天堂係點解。
天堂嘅定義會因個別宗教而異。
咁九成九人上到(包括罪犯),邊0.1成入唔到呢?
個啲係犯啲唔係普通你我可以犯嘅罪人。
個啲係曾親眼見過神同接受晒所有真理嘅人但否認同公然對抗神嘅人。
」
B1.Will protestant christians have eternal life if they have never been baptized in the temple?
每個人最終都一定會有洗禮教儀執行過,所以呢個問題應該唔會出現,但如果一定要假設冇洗過禮嘅話我就會引用呢節聖經。
約翰福音:3:5 耶穌說:我實實在在的告訴你,人若不是從水和聖靈生的,就不能進神的國。
根據耶穌,人未接受過洗禮的話係唔會得到Eternal life(喺我哋神學觀中指Celestial Kingdom)
B1.1 Will they go to celestial, terrestrial or telestrial kingdom?
一個好嘅新教徒但唔接受耶穌基督真正福音(喺我哋神學觀即係我哋教會)就會係Terrestrial,但如果佢係屬於今生無機會接受嘅人呢,死後而審判前嘅靈世界佢可以接受,如果佢接受,佢就會去Celestial。一個壞人,不論宗教信仰(包括LDS)都會去Telestial。
B2. Is it ok if a LDS is converted to protestants, will they be kicked to the outer darkness? Where will they go?
如果係好人,大概會係Terrestrial,否則就Telestial。常人係去唔到Outer Darkness。
親愛寶貝蜜糖甜心
2020-4-8 01:20:58
C. Similarities with masonry
我好難明確咁答到點解,因為我唔係約瑟,但我可以作啲合理猜測。
Freemason嘅「教儀」係借用所羅門聖殿嘅知識改編落石匠嘅故事去帶俾佢哋有更深刻嘅意義,用嚟保密同分辨石匠級數嘅方法,但聖殿真正教導嘅係耶穌基督同人生嘅目的,所以必須復興返呢啲失去咗嘅資訊。教儀嘅詳細資訊恕我絕對唔會喺到分享,因為對我嚟講係好神聖嘅嘢,但我都睇過Freemason嘅「教儀」,有關訊息嘅重點嚟講只能講相似嘅地方真係少之又少。
而所謂嘅"blood oath"真係得兩句,我唔認為有改變到教儀嘅重點同埋佢嘅神聖性。
重點係冇任何人因為呢個"oath"而失去性命,呢個"oath"只係啲人表明真係好重要咁解,奇怪嘅係幾乎任何宗教嘅神學觀中(包括基督教同非基督教),人如果破壞同神所立嘅聖約都往往會招來死亡(可以係物理上死,或地獄般嘅死),都唔係啲未聽過嘅嘢,但外人就對Mormons嘅所謂"blood oath"咁認真。
有人會覺得神嘅不變就係一成不變,但我哋理解嘅不變係神嘅本質不變,即係佢嘅真、善、美、愛。神的確可以同曾經根據唔同情況俾唔同嘅知識同誡命俾人。所以聖殿教儀根據時間有小改動係正常,人準備好接受更多嘅知識時神就會俾更多。
例子有古時嘅人立約都會指住自己條命起誓,但今日啲人已經明白到同做到一諾千金,就自然唔需要咁立約啦。
所以當然ok