IT討論區(95) IT狗其實好多都係職場MK仔,轉工同MK仔飛囡速度差唔多
素睛 2020-9-10 19:57:58 舊post
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P仔 頂爛市參考價(疫情價) :
乜都唔識 + HD: 15k - 17k
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u grad + 白紙: 17k~24k
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----------------廣告1: Cyber Universal Company Limited-------------------------

早前我去一間係尖沙咀,叫"Cyber Universal Company Limited. 新意環球有限公司"見programmer
問起我點解想離開上一間公司
我同佢講因為上一間公司成日開OT,令我好難半工讀到
佢竟然好串咁話:
我地間公司成日都做到8,9點架啦!!好多時星期六、日都要OT返工!!
你想準時放工去讀書?去做保安啦你!!
保安咪準時放工收工後乜都唔洗理囉!!
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轉行做保安啦!!
果刻火到拍枱起身走

你地日日開OT=好威同正常?
係你地管理同能力問題吓?
垃圾港資扮大牌!!
見佢地日日登jobsdb,繼續登多幾年jobsdb啦!!

------------------------------廣告2: Macroxxxw----------------------------------------------------
冇自己位不在話下, 但有勁污糟既位俾你用
男人去廁所要去出面熱到仆街既公廁,女人就有公司廁所
Director 加丁點人工 = 俾機會你進步
打工學野係要交學費
落左site做野唔係公司 = 你放緊假好撚得閒
7 x 24 oncall is a must
例牌要OT做野
Sales 不嬲當Enginee 仔狗咁撚,客一投訴就送呢樣送果樣俾佢, 務求使撚死班Enginee 仔


xxxxxview, 最近爆左單野, 話說某間酒店同佢買 Cisco Main, 年年比足錢, 但是 Macrovxxx 冇同 Cisco 買, 變相自己白袋左筆錢 ... 最近間酒店轉 Vendor 先發現原來一直都冇同 Cisco 買 Main. 最後出 Legal 告 9 佢 ...

呢間正一仆街來, Sale 屎十問九唔應, E-mail 唔復, 甚至搵佢續 Main 都唔理我 ... 好明顯睇唔上我呢 D 細公司, 人手唔夠, 真係盞做死下面班細 ...

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FG 14.5K

本身9月簽合約就寫9點30既 。
後尾10月發現全部人都有啲遠 成日塞車
所以改個個都可以彈性翻。

後尾2月底佢就改policy 冇出信 亦冇提過幾多封信就即炒。最嬲既係 我唔想冇得彈性翻 就4月13號遞左信 預5月12日走。 點知佢叫我幫佢趕工 話個客急住要
整好哂 比埋個客4月26號 叫我入去傾 話 因為我之前遲到 所以家陣就即時解僱

本身我地關係好好 。又約哂4月27號睇復仇者4
大佬啊 入職果陣又話對員工好 家陣好似坐監咁
拍卡遲一秒就警告信

我地個個都係佢識既人介紹入黎做。
所以冇咩街外人會入去做 一黎公司係jobdbs個post
好肉酸 一定唔會吸引到人。

同埋最近得知 上一位炒果個同事同老細反映
其中一個一開公司就係到既員工成日唔做野 ,又蛇王又射波。第二日就比人出通知解僱 。

諗翻起我遞完信佢仲扮好人叫我去飲咖啡傾計
佢問我有咩做得開心 唔開心 對公司家陣環境點
我都有講果個員工唔做嘢 其實好影響士氣

之後佢就叫我努力拍爛檔 夜晚趕埋份pj 月底要出街
交好哂 即炒88
----------------------------仆街公司/agent(係鍾意開名呀吹咩)-------------------------------
九巴,國泰,匯豐, pccw, jos, macroview, __system
Adeeco, Seamatch, Manpower, Osmium, NP Solution, DJ recruitment, Linkers

仆街agent例子:
https://lihkg.com/thread/2179122/page/3


[IT撚入]九龍塘某間IT公司,下個月再係咁我告鳩你
https://lihkg.com/thread/1218929/page/1

https://medium.com/@p5d12000/工程師應該放心大膽地創造技術負債-a8022d85810
身為軟體工程師,你應該放心大膽地創造技術負債。這麼做唯一的風險,就只有在你換工作的時候,也會接手一大筆前人留下來的技術負債。不過,這種事情反正也早就已經發生了。
#3
素睛

5 日前
大部分唔係串你 係串啲宣傳誇張既bootcamp 小部分係串你 半信半疑啲同傳銷無分別既bootcamp
你完全唔識CS唔係問題 我都完全唔識文學評論 呢啲唔係咩羞恥既事
但係對on9傳銷野 我就一定重語氣屌 就好似如果有人on99唔識股票但係諗住借錢買牛熊 我都會串到佢仆街
你可能覺得 bootcamp又唔係家破人亡既野 駛唔駛咁串
但對我黎講 繼續留呢啲垃圾bootcamp 一黎繼續吸人血 二黎搞到個行業污煙漳氣

至於bootcamp具體點解垃圾
軟件工程係需要系統式訓練 唔係話做四個月狂操就得
叫得工程 係真係需要工程專業道德 尤其係你會唔會驚自己做錯所帶黎既後果
例如 前排機場個空管系統 可以垃圾到要幾粒鐘reboot一次 如果再錯多啲 撞機死幾百條命點撚算
波音個軟件系統 加新feature個時考慮少左野 crash左幾部飛機
就算唔係咁關鍵既軟件 我地諗下金融業既軟件 寫錯粒variable 都已經可以令公司蝕幾十粒 如果你做証券行既 間公司破產連帶啲傻散家破人亡 跳樓燒碳幾戶
一係你就做最基本個啲 寫下website仔 幫政府垃圾砌下爛code show個系統繁忙咩都唔做 咁你就連15星期bootcamp都唔需要

同埋啲bootcamp全部都overprice 因為自學都可以有更高質素既免費教材
YouTube 去大學旁聽 上網海盜大學教科書
大把路你唔行 係都要進貢啲錢比垃圾bootcamp
有冇諗過人地比錢洗comment 有冇諗過人地好似補習社咁收啲本身有料既學生然後輕鬆有出路 其他無出路既就提都唔提

老實講 你要學野既 連登大把IT狗扮工無野做 會覆你
你寫code寫唔順既 大把人教你 或者比link你
你要問bootcamp野 我就實反對既
你要開始學programming既 而家 立刻 去裝個gcc寫hello world 停止一切search bootcamp既行為

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一定唔會 千其唔好俾佢地啲花言巧語氹到你, 佢地一定會千方百計令到個Candidate過到個試用期

因為啲公司(客)同headhunt公司簽咗Service agreement多數都係過咗probation (3個月)先會找全數俾headhunt公司.

如果唔係個Candidate係試用期內走咗, 一黎獵頭公司要refund返俾個客, 二黎有機會要免費/收平啲幫個客再做多個head count, 三黎公司(客)可能會屌/唔滿意間獵頭公司.

一層壓一層就會屌返跟Candidate個獵頭, 所以啲獵頭有好撚多花言巧言氹啲Candidate留到過埋probation先走. 呢啲獵頭就最撚仆街, 因為根本就冇為你諗過

再講, 如果過咗probation先走, 你又要等個notice period (多數一個月), 如果寫落CV 3個月又唔好睇, 唔寫又吉咗三個月

所以, 如果個agent伏咗你去間公司, 越早走越好 (因為有啲有機會過咗一個月佢地都收到一半錢), 同埋最好就直接去間公司個website apply/收完啲agent風, 就去返JobsDB/其他招聘網站搵返間公司個post黎apply

如果個agent話經佢地apply大機會啲有interview/offer, 就一撚定係呃你(interview都有機會係, 但俾盡都係多少少機會). 因為只有經啲agent apply, 啲agent先有錢袋.

同埋唔好亂咁應承啲agent 俾佢地send你份CV俾啲公司

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