LIHKG 計劃進修PhD/Research討論區 (10) 學而不思則罔,思而不學則殆
傳教士谷哥 2017-4-15 12:38:46

個字好難串
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不過你講white/robust大家應該都聽得明啦

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傳教士谷哥 2017-4-15 12:45:10


真隨機?
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呢樣野哲學界同physics界好似仲拗緊存唔存在

姐係好似你明知下次粒dice一定會出1-6其中一個,但有無方法predict到下次一定會出某一個?呢樣野係一定發生,而差在你可唔可以predict到

骰仔既motion follows classical mechanics,所以只要所有同呢個motion相關既parameters都度得準,再plug落相關既law of physics,理論上就可以predict到
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chaotic system係冇辦法predict到
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你可以攞到嘅相對準確嘅只可以係所謂嘅distribution/ensemble average
而任何couple to thermal environment嘅molecular system都係chaotic
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無法predict係因為measurement無可能準到可以overcome個chaotic system既sensitivity,定係equations of motion描述唔晒個process所有law of physics,同埋真係random,好似係三回事
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1. Uncertainty principle limit咗我地對molecular system相關measurement嘅precision
2. molecular system嘅chaotic nature源自於N-body interactions。無論classical mechanics 係咪已經足夠描述個system,都改變唔到或者只可以增加個inherent chaotic nature
3. 有說法係Randomness可能只係一啲chaotic results。取決於可否發現ergodicity之類嘅property,暫時未證明到,我亦諗唔到點樣可以證明到。好大機會最後都只可以停留係哲學層面討論。


可惜molecular system已經細到會比uncertainty影響到,如果唔係,真係想睇下有冇experiments可以quotes哂所以equations完全predict到一個system
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做到既過,簡直係determinism既理程碑
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開始明明地啦
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chaotic system同chaotic theory係咪差唔多架?

如果有一日有個chinsinlo predict到既話,咁呢個世界真係會有翻天覆地既改變
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無論經濟醫療天文交通,乜7都可以用到
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忒修斯之船 2017-4-15 12:57:27

個字好難串
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homo唔識串vs hetero唔識串
不過你講white/robust大家應該都聽得明啦

召喚放棄巴
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傳教士谷哥 2017-4-15 12:59:42

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數學廢柴 2017-4-15 13:04:18
想問下數學/stat巴打關於predict 隨機機率既問題

其實有無理論或者研究係做緊點樣去預測下次隨機出現既係乜? 係真隨機唔是偽隨機

其實係有無可能做到?
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真隨機?
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呢樣野哲學界同physics界好似仲拗緊存唔存在

姐係好似你明知下次粒dice一定會出1-6其中一個,但有無方法predict到下次一定會出某一個?呢樣野係一定發生,而差在你可唔可以predict到

骰仔既motion follows classical mechanics,所以只要所有同呢個motion相關既parameters都度得準,再plug落相關既law of physics,理論上就可以predict到
:^(

chaotic system係冇辦法predict到
:^(
你可以攞到嘅相對準確嘅只可以係所謂嘅distribution/ensemble average
而任何couple to thermal environment嘅molecular system都係chaotic
:^(

無法predict係因為measurement無可能準到可以overcome個chaotic system既sensitivity,定係equations of motion描述唔晒個process所有law of physics,同埋真係random,好似係三回事
:^(

1. Uncertainty principle limit咗我地對molecular system相關measurement嘅precision
2. molecular system嘅chaotic nature源自於N-body interactions。無論classical mechanics 係咪已經足夠描述個system,都改變唔到或者只可以增加個inherent chaotic nature
3. 有說法係Randomness可能只係一啲chaotic results。取決於可否發現ergodicity之類嘅property,暫時未證明到,我亦諗唔到點樣可以證明到。好大機會最後都只可以停留係哲學層面討論。

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忒修斯之船 2017-4-15 13:16:20

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傳教士谷哥 2017-4-15 13:23:17

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忒修斯之船 2017-4-15 13:33:54

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忒修斯之船 2017-4-15 13:51:02

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數學廢柴 2017-4-15 13:56:22

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傳教士谷哥 2017-4-15 13:58:08

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Adam_Smith 2017-4-15 14:06:44

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諗名好煩 2017-4-15 14:07:43


真隨機?
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呢樣野哲學界同physics界好似仲拗緊存唔存在

姐係好似你明知下次粒dice一定會出1-6其中一個,但有無方法predict到下次一定會出某一個?呢樣野係一定發生,而差在你可唔可以predict到

骰仔既motion follows classical mechanics,所以只要所有同呢個motion相關既parameters都度得準,再plug落相關既law of physics,理論上就可以predict到
:^(

chaotic system係冇辦法predict到
:^(
你可以攞到嘅相對準確嘅只可以係所謂嘅distribution/ensemble average
而任何couple to thermal environment嘅molecular system都係chaotic
:^(

無法predict係因為measurement無可能準到可以overcome個chaotic system既sensitivity,定係equations of motion描述唔晒個process所有law of physics,同埋真係random,好似係三回事
:^(

1. Uncertainty principle limit咗我地對molecular system相關measurement嘅precision
2. molecular system嘅chaotic nature源自於N-body interactions。無論classical mechanics 係咪已經足夠描述個system,都改變唔到或者只可以增加個inherent chaotic nature
3. 有說法係Randomness可能只係一啲chaotic results。取決於可否發現ergodicity之類嘅property,暫時未證明到,我亦諗唔到點樣可以證明到。好大機會最後都只可以停留係哲學層面討論。

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數學廢柴 2017-4-15 14:13:55


真隨機?
:^(
呢樣野哲學界同physics界好似仲拗緊存唔存在

姐係好似你明知下次粒dice一定會出1-6其中一個,但有無方法predict到下次一定會出某一個?呢樣野係一定發生,而差在你可唔可以predict到

骰仔既motion follows classical mechanics,所以只要所有同呢個motion相關既parameters都度得準,再plug落相關既law of physics,理論上就可以predict到
:^(

chaotic system係冇辦法predict到
:^(
你可以攞到嘅相對準確嘅只可以係所謂嘅distribution/ensemble average
而任何couple to thermal environment嘅molecular system都係chaotic
:^(

無法predict係因為measurement無可能準到可以overcome個chaotic system既sensitivity,定係equations of motion描述唔晒個process所有law of physics,同埋真係random,好似係三回事
:^(

1. Uncertainty principle limit咗我地對molecular system相關measurement嘅precision
2. molecular system嘅chaotic nature源自於N-body interactions。無論classical mechanics 係咪已經足夠描述個system,都改變唔到或者只可以增加個inherent chaotic nature
3. 有說法係Randomness可能只係一啲chaotic results。取決於可否發現ergodicity之類嘅property,暫時未證明到,我亦諗唔到點樣可以證明到。好大機會最後都只可以停留係哲學層面討論。

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司令 2017-4-15 14:18:00 呢度多唔多m phil撚
數學廢柴 2017-4-15 14:18:27
呢度多唔多m phil撚

MPhil好野黎
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Adam_Smith 2017-4-15 14:19:02
呢度多唔多m phil撚

MPhil好野黎
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貓咪🐱 2017-4-15 14:20:20

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貓咪🐱 2017-4-15 14:20:51
呢度多唔多m phil撚

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數學廢柴 2017-4-15 14:21:03
呢度多唔多m phil撚

MPhil好野黎
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數學廢柴 2017-4-15 14:21:23

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