從Lana Del Rey 歌中找尋反女權的道路
吉肛你煩 2019-2-1 04:19:07 原來有咁多同好
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好開心
Brooklyn Baby 同Salvatore 都好好聽
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維尼達拍嗚 2019-2-1 04:19:33 此回覆已被刪除
Rentboy 2019-2-1 04:53:32 佢特別鍾意仔仔同sex姐
冇聽開都諗起三首
Video games
Born to die, Blue jeans
佢話自己想活係50 60年代美國呀嘛
所以參考左好多哥時嘅嘢
復古 性解放應該亦係其中
24:01 2019-2-1 13:19:13 就係佢個種黑暗fit晒成個情況
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btw Lana is my queen
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姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-1 15:30:58 無錯就係女權撚覺得佢offensive先屈佢呢套就係反女權,但佢講過佢覺得女權就係女人選擇想做就係女權。
但佢好多歌都講述過佢鐘意父權行為,如男性暴力
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飛出太陽系 2019-2-1 23:19:21 佢之前leak嘅好多unreleased 都好正
好似because of you, queen of disaster, kill kill, serial killer 咁
鍾意佢呢啲迷幻嘅曲風 好似帶你進入另一個世界咁
而dark paradise, born to die, Carmen, young and beautiful 呢啲又黑暗到好似死亡邊緣咁 係我最痛苦嘅時候聽 共嗚到令我再沉多兩沉 但係情傷或者辛苦嘅時候 聽住佢啲歌 就會覺得自己嘅靈魂搵到個共嗚者 明白我
愛乃小天使 2019-2-1 23:22:05 born to die 開始有聽佢
佢比人個feel真係好特別
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姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 00:13:48 今日講RIDE 呢首野
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_-3di1yx0
MV呢到
但主力我唔太想分桌歌詞,而係Lana del rey 係mv之前嘅獨白
I was in the winter of my life
and the men I met along the road were my only summer.
係我人生嘅寒冬,我唯一嘅歡愉就係遇上呢群男人
At night I fell asleep with vision of myself
dancing and laughing and crying with them.
每晚瞓教都諗起同佢地快樂嘅時光,跳著笑著
Three year down the line of being on an endless world tour
and memories of them were the only things that sustained me,
and my only real happy times.
係個三年旅途入面,唯一支撐住我就係呢班男人,佢地係我唯一嘅快樂


I was a singer, not very popular one,
who once has dreams of becoming a beautiful poet-
我係一個歌手,半紅不黑,但我夢想係成為一位詩人
but upon an unfortunate series of events
saw those dreams dashed and divided like million stars in the night sky
that I wished on over and over again- sparkling and broken.
但係一連串發生的不幸事件後,
我意識到我嘅夢想就像夜晚星空裡的億萬星星一樣遙不可及,
我曾是如此迫切渴望又盼望,夢想能夠實現,但,最後都係不堪一擊破碎。
But I really didn’t mind because I knew that
it takes getting everything you ever wanted
and then losing it to know what true freedom is.
但,我並唔係真係咁在意夢想幻滅,因為我知道,
生命的無常就在於,它往往奪走你熱烈渴望,
然後給你最意想不到嘅野,自由,真正的自由。


When the people I used to know found out what I had been doing,
how I had been living- they asked me why.
當個D仆人知道到我呢三年發生左D咩事,
以及個段時間我係如何賴以維生後,
佢們總是一副不可置信地問我為什麼這麼放浪形骸?
But there’s no use in talking to people who have a home,
they have no idea what it’s like to seek safety in other people,
for home to be wherever you lie your head.
但,夏蟲不可語冰,而我廢事去解釋,
對於那些擁有”溫暖的家”嘅人根本不會明白,
佢地唔會明白『與陌生人相互取暖以及尋求安全感』係咩嘅感覺,
對我黎講”家”只係一個瓦遮頭可以屈身瞓教嘅地方。

I was always an unusual girl,
my mother told me that I had a chameleon soul.
我一直係個不尋常的女孩,我媽媽曾經跟我說我有一個善于偽裝的靈魂.
No moral compass pointing me due north,
no fixed personality, just an inner indecisiveness
that was as wide as wavering as the ocean.
從來不依正常軌道行事,沒有固定性格,只有優柔寡斷內心,
一如海浪一樣起伏變幻莫測。
And if I said that I didn’t plan for it to turn out this way I’d be lying-
because I was born to be the other woman.
如果話我從來無諗過會搞成咁,那就代表我係說謊,
因為我天生就係一個與眾不同嘅女人.
I belonged to no one- who belonged to everyone,
who had nothing- who wanted everything
我不屬於特定任何人,但任何人都可以擁有我;
一無所有,卻渴望擁有一切。
with a fire for every experience and an obsession for freedom
that terrified me to the point that I couldn’t even talk about-
and pushed me to a nomadic point of madness
that both dazzled and dizzied me.
有著蠢蠢欲動不安靈魂,還有對自由嘅熱烈迷戀,
讓我極度恐懼到無法啓口,
將我推到瘋狂的極端,讓我目不暇接,暈頭轉向。

其實從呢段獨白都睇到LANA DEL REY 一直嘅創作都只係講述佢青年嘅經歷,所以唔難去想像點解佢曲風一直都係迷幼,黑暗,另類世界(當然60 70 年代樂壇嘅影響使佢今日創作靈感好多時都來自david Bowie。
但我想個嘅重點係中間所提及嘅個D擁有溫暖的家嘅人對佢嘅批頭品足,女權撚成日話LANA D歌貶低女性,反LADY GAGA 嘅熱潮,但又有無諗過呢個世界唔係好多女人都想好似班女權撚咁樣個個都獨立自主新女性,又有無諗過LANA DEL REY 出生自小康之家但從來係音樂道路都係孤獨,個D sugar daddy 個D只係想屌佢嘅男人,其實比起外人,同埋個D所謂嘅人帶比佢更多溫暖,更多安全感?
成個MV LANA 造型無錯,就係雞,呢個亦係有小許映射佢當年初出道時間俾唱片公司包嘅縮影。

歌起以騷靈歌音以及鋼琴配樂伴出,同時亦係佢好鐘意制造嘅迷幻氣氛,頹敗感,墜落感

I been out on that open road
雖然我已經身處在係個條公路上
But you can be my full time daddy, white and gold
唔理你係老定後生,你仍然可以係我的全時溫心嘅契家佬(white and gold 講緊髮色),
Singing blues has been getting old
唱藍調嘅歌係今時今日難免都有D不合時宜,
But you can be my full time baby, hot or cold
但,你都係可以成為我嘅新歡舊愛,冷熱皆宜。

Don’t break me down, I been traveling too long
唔好令我失望啊, 我可是經歷左好多嘅人,
I been trying too hard, with one pretty song
只係為左令自己好過,我已經盡左我好大努力

I hear the birds on the summer breeze, I drive fast
我總係受唔住鳥兒係夏日嘅歡愉高歌,總係使我想加速離去,
I am alone at midnight
Been trying hard not to get into trouble but I
午夜孤單街頭,
總是努力不去招惹麻煩嘅我,
I’ve got a war in my mind
內心的交戰不休,
So I just ride, Just ride
最後我還是跳上車,
只是兜風的一程,
讓我一路狂奔。

其實呢半首歌而經感受到LANA 佢對社會,以及自己個人內心嘅黑暗面。係社會當中,佢已經活得好辛苦,只有能夠從男人中找到半點快樂。
Dying young and playing hard
人生苦短,及時行樂,
That’s the way my father made his life an art
呢個係我父親嘅生活藝術
Drink all day and we talk till dark
日頭飲酒,夜晚促膝長談,
That’s the way the road dogs do it - light ‘til dark
呢D就係我們呢D長年累月係路上旅行嘅人所做嘅事:
從天亮玩樂到天黑。

Don’t leave me now, don’t say goodbye
唔好離開我啊,不要咁快說再見,
Don’t turn around leave me high and dry
不要係我最歡樂嘅興頭上轉身離去。
姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 00:27:12 I’m tired of feeling like I’m f*cking crazy
已厭倦D人硬係覺得係痴撚線
I’m tired of driving ‘til I see stars in my eyes
日以繼夜開車令我雙眼疲憊不堪,
It’s all I’ve got to keep myself sane, baby
但唯有咁樣先能使我保持清醒
So I just ride, I just ride
所以我還是跳上車,
只是兜風的一程,
讓我一路狂奔。
再黎獨白
Every night I used to pray that I’d find my people
and finally I did on the open road.
We have nothing to lose, nothing to gain,
nothing we desired anymore, except to make our lives into a work of art.
每晚我都祈禱可以搵到志同道合嘅人,
而我每每都可以在公路上搵到可以共度一程嘅人.
我們什麼也沒失去,也沒有得到什麼東西,
不會刻意奢求甚麼, 只希望我們嘅生命像藝術品般傳承下去.
LIVE FAST. DIE YOUNG. BE WILD. AND HAVE FUN.
快意人生,及時行樂,大膽行徑,極度享樂。

I believe in the country America used to be.
I believe in the person I want to become,
I believe in the freedom of the open road.
And my motto is the same as ever,
“I believe in the kindness of strangers.”
And when I’m at war with myself, I ride. I Just Ride.*
我相信有一個地方,好似以前嘅美國一樣嘅地方.
我信賴那個人,那個令我願意改變的人.
我信仰自由,在公路上找尋到嘅自由.
我人生的宗旨一如既往:”我可信賴陌生人的友善.”
當我的內心又在交戰糾結的時候,
我就會跳上我架車浪跡天涯,
一路狂奔的浪跡天涯。

Who are you? Are you in touch with all your darkest fantasies?
Have you created a life for yourself
where you’re free to experience them?
I Have.
I Am Fucking Crazy. But I Am Free.
你邊撚個? 你有曾經探觸過個D你內心裡最黑暗嘅幻想嗎?
你有沒有為你自己建立一個讓你感覺可以自由經歷一切嘅生活?
我經歷過,
我承認我是一個瘋狂嘅人.但我很自由.

去到呢到再睇埋MV,其實個MV 拍我好靚,講述一個女仔係單獨旅程到遇上三個改變佢一生嘅男人。
RIDE 呢個字除左可以解騎電單車之外,就係女上男下嘅做愛方式。
So I just ride, Just ride 其實都暗示,我只係同呢個男人繼續做愛去得到我想得到嘅野。開場獨白講過,呢段日子唯一可以令佢開心就係呢班男人,呢班唔知係咪真心愛佢嘅人,但總之佢有半點歡愉;但結尾獨白又講過,佢地無失去D乜,亦無得到D乜,只係瘋狂般向著自由出發。
其實成首歌不單好美國夢,而且更好強烈美國當時西部嚮往自由個種思想感覺。 呢首歌最受爭議當然又係MV 中暗示嘅性交易,以及LANA 成個公廁般嘅形象,但D爭議更呼應獨白中所講嘅人,呢班仆街識條春咩? LANA 係尋求自身夢想嘅道路中觸摸到自己裡心暗黑一面,就係享受呢種父權日子,雖然佢知呢D根本並唔係佢真正想要嘅野,但同時間呢後黑暗日子,享受父權係佢唯一嘅樂趣。
有時我覺得LANA 反而先係更加女權嘅人,係佢創作中不是都係講緊,佢甘願行呢D道路。女權撚成日話GAME GIRL 賣肉,車模賣肉,諗出黎PROMOTE 呢件事好父權,過時要CANCEL,但有無諗過班女真係自己甘願露出黎搵食,好多時迫良為娼係錯,但無人迫佢嘅時候,又係咪真係錯? 的確新時代新女性,我地迎黎左好多女人獨立思想,SMART WOMAN 但社會同時都有好多蠢女人,唔通你叫班o靚模咪撚露肉正正經經打份工搵錢? 咪撚玩啦伍寶,每個人都要生活,但能夠搵到佢地鐘意嘅道路咁先真係得到真正自由,而個d真係讀到書,叻嘅女人,真係有資格批評佢地口中嘅雞咩?
姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 00:28:08 聽佢d歌,我成日都覺得係從聽覺中得到視覺享受
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姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 00:30:30 佢leak出黎個D作品其實就係正正佢嘅黑暗時代嘅創作,唔難感受佢當時嘅痛苦,特別係出身小康之家係音樂道路中家人一蚊都無幫過佢。
所以之後爆紅好多歌其實佢都係以看透呢個社會嘅角度唱返出黎,至於born to die young and beautiful呢D我個人覺得佢應該曾經歷左一段佢真係好深刻嘅真愛作出黎嘅歌

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姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 00:35:17 佢訪問講過直頭覺得自己係無經歷美國五十年代,但已經覺得佢係活係個到
但我覺得Queen david bowie 呢D前衛嘅樂團歌手影響左佢好大,特別佢係巴洛克式搖滾 hip hop 仲有迷幻音樂中嘅交錯運用,先造就到佢嘅創作。
但對於性解放,我反而覺得好多歌都係想講佢對性呢樣野係享受居多
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好想同佢瘋狂扑野
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帶巴士返學 2019-2-2 00:36:04 好鍾意yes to heaven 同fine china
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但係冇正式出過,淨係可以係youtube 聽
姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 00:41:26 dark paradise 真係唔好分手聽......
個種執念好痴線
姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 00:42:02 我好重口,ultraviolence呢隻碟聽得最多
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愛又暖又冷又暖 2019-2-2 00:42:51 留名
Rentboy 2019-2-2 01:36:54 覺得佢d歌係pop黎有blues味
帶絲少詩意 夠sad core
加上佢本身個人魅力
同對visual嘅vintage味要求
成功造就左佢嘅獨特韻味

但唔清楚佢d曲係點作
巴打如果知可以講下
同佢唱live麻麻


佢係好屌嘅 少少肉地 又淫
好想比佢含同挫爆
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但最近個Gucci look不了
194000 2019-2-2 01:50:06 終於見到有啲深度既野 好感動
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姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 02:32:28 終於有人提我打嘅野,仲感動
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姬絲坦奴(登機) 2019-2-2 02:34:36 其實佢D野你覺得POP 都係因為佢好鐘意加入HIP HOP 元素
其實作曲方面真係好少聽佢提及過,因為好多歌手都會講下自己點樣創作,但真係無咩點聽過佢點作歌。但LANA D LIVE
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好多人話佢錄音室歌手,但我認為佢係特登HEA 唱多過真係唱功差

硬係覺佢係床到好主動勾引人
肛加熱等於火 2019-2-2 03:11:34 你第一句都幾自以為是,
介紹音樂係好,但標籤人
用聽咩音樂黎有優越感都幾幼稚
不過呢個問題係華人社會成日發生
好似要教化世人咁

本來音樂對每個人有唔同既意義
冇分高低
我母親喜愛既金曲係pop
但固中帶有回憶/友情/親情

而我細個最初逼學classical
後尾去左學jazz,bossa nova

每個種類都有佢既歷史
特式/結構既不同
不能相題並論

我唔認為誰比誰高尚

聽日我又扔一句
睇死你班連登仔唔撚識聽classical
有咩意思
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扔開音樂
每一個文化界別都可以出黎打飛機啦

謙虛係做人既基本阿

我唔認為聽死pop就要比人寸
咁同typical hipster有咩分別
搵到新既indie band之後自己打哂飛機

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孫小美 2019-2-2 03:15:35 Lana del Rey 好出名喎
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超齡小子 2019-2-2 03:18:44 LDR真係有好嚴重嘅daddy issue
佢首cola真係不得了
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